U.S. files terrorism charges against Australian citizen - Sportbike Addicts

ffejtable · 03-01-2007, 02:07 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070301/...rrorism_trials

EvilSteve...... what is your real name, eh?

Quote:

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration has filed charges against David Hicks, an Australian citizen suspected of aiding the Taliban in Afghanistan and the first terrorism-war era detainee to be charged by the Pentagon under new rules for military commissions.

ADVERTISEMENT

The decision was made even though officials of Australia already had asked the United States not to bring such charges. Australia has been a steadfast ally to the Bush administration in its war on terrorism.

Hicks is a former kangaroo skinner captured in Afghanistan in December 2001. He has been held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for more than five years without trial.

According to government officials and documents, the Defense Department will announce that Hicks is being charged with "providing material support for terrorism." Hicks would be have a trial in a special military tribunal, established in a law that Congress passed last year, rather than a civilian court. Opponents have vowed to challenge the constitutionality of the military tribunal proceedings.

An earlier formulation of such military tribunals was declared unconstitutional last year by the Supreme Court.

Barbi · 03-01-2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffejtable

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration has filed charges against Daniel (something), an Australian citizen (recently became an American citizen)suspected of aiding the Taliban in Afghanistan and the first terrorism-war era detainee to be charged by the Pentagon under new rules for military commissions.

ADVERTISEMENT

The decision was made even though officials of Australia already had asked the United States not to bring such charges. Australia has been a steadfast ally to the Bush administration in its war on terrorism.

Hicks is a former kangaroo skinner captured in Afghanistan in December 2001. He has been held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for more than five years without trial.

According to government officials and documents, the Defense Department will announce that Hicks is being charged with "providing material support for terrorism." Hicks would be have a trial in a special military tribunal, established in a law that Congress passed last year, rather than a civilian court. Opponents have vowed to challenge the constitutionality of the military tribunal proceedings.

An earlier formulation of such military tribunals was declared unconstitutional last year by the Supreme Court.

EvilSteve...... what is your real name, eh?

interesting

jcblitz · 03-01-2007, 04:14 PM

I missed kangaroo skinner on career day.

soda7o · 03-01-2007, 04:20 PM

what did he give the terrorists kangarooo skin?

this is liek the salem whitch trials.. just accusing people.. i was just reading an article the other day abotu some guy that the CIA thausght was a terrorist and they kidnapped him and "interigated" and shit..than it turned out htye made a mistake

NYCSTRIPES · 03-01-2007, 04:34 PM

Soda...pleez
I am sure the KGB and other soviet agencies of the state were more accountable for their actions..

soda7o · 03-01-2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYCSTRIPES

Soda...pleez
I am sure the KGB and other soviet agencies of the state were more accountable for their actions..

hhahahahahhaha
MY GRANDFATHER was a top KGB agent he has done some evil thingsi n his life.. and some top sercete super sneaky missions.. up untill they day he died he kept everythign pretty much a secret only when he got shitfaced with me would he tell me anything. and still it woudl be very vague and short...he was tough as nails, and never gave up a secret he talked in code words even when he was here in america up untill he past away!!! not even my dad (his own son) knows what the man did.. my Uncle (the older son) followed in my grandfaterh footsteps and was also a KGB he is not here in america too... he tells me some shit he did during the cold war pretty horirble and he wants to teach me how to make bob,s and all sorts of weapons and boobie traps and etc.. KGB style.. lol

i am not denying it .. the KGB did some shady awfull things.. but hey they never claim to be squeeky clean and angels like america does.

Ant · 03-01-2007, 04:44 PM

It's def. a lighter version of the McCarthy era. I'm pretty conservative but I think the current admin is a bit over the top.

NYCSTRIPES · 03-01-2007, 04:54 PM

Some of you fellas need a wake up call. I am scared for the future of this country if we are starting to fell sorry for jailed Militant Muslim Extremists who will do everything in their power to cause death and destruction to our way of life.

Our current administration is doing nothing that resembles anything from the McCarthy era. These idiots were not plucked from a NY movie theatre for being Muslim, they were captured at terrorist training camps and Al Queda hideouts...
WAKE UP

Ken

soda7o · 03-01-2007, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYCSTRIPES

Some of you fellas need a wake up call. I am scared for the future of this country if we are starting to fell sorry for jailed Militant Muslim Extremists who will do everything in their power to cause death and destruction to our way of life.

Our current administration is doing nothing that resembles anything from the McCarthy era. These idiots were not plucked from a NY movie theatre for being Muslim, they were captured at terrorist training camps and Al Queda hideouts...
WAKE UP

Ken

i am antyhgin but sorry for them

EvilSteve · 03-01-2007, 05:32 PM

My name is not, I repeat *not* David Hicks. I doubt I could have become a citizen otherwise.

Just detailing some of the *alleged* torture that goes on down there.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/hic...338791480.html

AFAIC, if they're guilty, fuck em. The problem is that establishing someone's guilt by way of torture is clearly flawed. The old proverb of preferring several guilty people go free than have an innocent person hanged seems to have been turned on its head. The more we keep our actions & policies secret, they less human rights protection people get. I don't give a rats ass about David Hicks, I care about liberty and justice, as should we all. Picking random people off the street and torturing them is BS.

***Cakes206*** · 03-01-2007, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soda7o

what did he give the terrorists kangarooo skin?

Beware of fugaizy MotoGP suits at flea markets!

soda7o · 03-01-2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cakes982

Beware of fugaizy MotoGP suits at flea markets!

hahah all

so thats how youspot alquida memebrs.. they have kangaroo racing suits on..

all track guys i i would watch out if i were you... cia might be snatching you form trackdays :0

High_Revs_17 · 03-01-2007, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cakes982

Beware of fugaizy MotoGP suits at flea markets!

I think Dan just earned himself a new title.

EvilSteve wrote: "My name is not David Hicks."

Mack · 03-01-2007, 09:26 PM

I'm glad to hear we can hold people for 5 year without trails...doesn't sound like democracy to me.....oh wait I like the government tapping my phone converstations...no I'm not going to say anything I need to worry about but it's just the point.....NYCStripes...I'm sorry I think you have it wrong....I would rather see people die including myself due to some terrorism then give up my privacy and freedom.....but like I said that's just me and I am probably not in the majority.....also if you were starving in another country while the USA is dieing because they are the fastest people in the world I think you'd want to blow us up too.

NYCSTRIPES · 03-02-2007, 12:01 AM

Mack,
Not to worry, with more and more people finding ways to sympathize with terrorists/foreign soldiers, you just may get your wish...
I have always found it strange to want to grant civil rights to people who are not citizens of this country.
This reaches farther that just the holding of terrorists, also known as enemy combatants. We have historically held enemy combatants as POW's (prisoners of war in case some of you did not know the definition) until the end of conflicts in the past. This very thing has happened to many of our own US soldiers in many past conflicts. Its unfortunate and distasteful but a necessary part of fighting a war. Letting the enemy terrorists go before the end of the conflict will just lead to having to fight with them again and again, which is pointless and a sure way to loose. Its not paintball we are playing here, its actually a real war.
The allegations of maltreatment coming from Guantamo Bay are just that, allegations. We have watchdog groups keeping an eye on prisoner treatment there as well as congressional oversight committees. I am sure that liberal newspapers will continue to write articles stating that we are treating them poorly, I doubt much if any of it is true. We do abide by Geneva Convention rules as to the humane treatment of enemy prisoners. Not that much can be said for the treatment of our own soldiers when they were held in past conflicts. Remember when Haoi Jane visited North Vietnam?

I would imagine that holding captured enemy troops and detaining them for the duration of a conflict will always be common practice. Confusing them with having the same rights as you or I expect will surely lead to problems. Even for the Australian national being held in Cuba by the US Military. I am sure Australia is not shedding too many tears for someone who would have also attacked them on their own turf if given the opportunity. There was no valid reason for him ( a HS dropout) to have been in Afghanistan/Pakistan other than to have been involved with Al Queda. I saw that now at Guantanamo he is studying for his GED certificate and has since dropped his aspirations to be a Muslim. Also remember that Al Queda killed quite a few Austrailian citizens in the South Pacific resort islands already after 9/11. Austrailia is a partner in the coalition to fight in this conflict and would more than likely have taken the same steps with the kid if he was turned over to their military forces in the region.

It also touches onto the subject of illegal immigration, seeing US citizens demanding civil rights be considered for people who broke the law by their very method of entry into this country. It makes no sense to me, sneak in (breaking the law), work off the books, apply for public assistance, Medicaid, not pay taxes and demand the right to vote, and the right to sue. Meanwhile that person has not applied for permission to enter the US, nor have they any desire to become a US citizen. Then apply for Social Security benefits after not having ever paid into the system.
Then there are throngs of people who still think that we owe these services/benefits to people who don't pay into the system. Don't get me started on the issue of voting for illegal immigrants...
I just don't get it....I think that people here are beginning to feel sorry that they were born in this country and are beginning to collapse with the "guilt" of having to live here.
Am I missing something?
Ken